Waiting for someone else to reply paid off lol you said all that way better than I could have

I'm only posting to point out @Otakooi that I never got any copies of Kogi or Kashuu. A lot of people did, but not me, so you shouldn't have used that as an example when you were directly replying to me unless you added a modifier that clarified that you were talking about people in general despite directly addressing me.

Sorry for the very long reply, I just want to wait the new event and get some intels. 

This could be long and my English is not good.

@Ickimori.

- Mochi are expensive also hard to get, 2 months but take half of it for events, also one fact that is events give you less mochi than normal day ( for f2p players ). So if I want an MLB daemon from exchange I need to skip events even I'm not really sure that I can have enough mochi for it. However, the way Mitama made the feature which made less friendly for f2p is increase the mochi after exchanged. From 300 mochi then suddenly went to 625. That's not a small number. And 625 mochi needs over 2 months to complete, so if I have enough mochi my wanted daemon has gone then I need to wait for another OP-CORE daemon come when I dont even know when. The waiting time could be 1 months for each daemon thus who knows Mitama will bring new feature or harder event on those times.

- Its a false hope. Everyone in here always hope that they will get a 5 stars from it with their own purposes. Only a very small amount of ppl have it. Mostly the rest will get 3 or 4 stars which mostly useless. One sad fact is those 3-4 stars daemons only do the support thing for 5 stars thou not many of them can. Team with no 5 stars -> Hope have one from Lunch time -> Get 3 stars -> Have to exchange mochi to get one for gameplay because those FREE MOCHI can't do it ( events, story, pvp -?- ) -> Lower the chance to get better MLB daemons, not even sure a LB0 can help me much -> Meanwhile the game's difficult increase very fast when my team can't keep it up. You craved for 5 stars but failed then keep doing it until get one everyday... You see? Hope was created then be crashed then created again...How funny.

- Events are tough for f2p but easy and boring for cashiers. Guides, vids were out, they just put the daemons to fight then won. So what you means is keep building team and wait until event which f2p players are able to finish on Tower and find a Guild with cashiers which help you on CQ? Have you consider this game will have more updates with the difficult will go faster than your building progression? Just like what they did with Thanksgiving?. Many thanks for Pearl 75+ users for helping us get through it. And sorry, when team is weak and tried to request strong guilds with cashiers then be rejected many times. Friend requests, ignored or accepted and be deleted few days later. Cashiers need profits for worth what they paid not weak users, unless you are their friends =))

- Ranking on Tower is PAY TO WIN, now with this event Mitama showed it clearly. You can hoard items for it, fine everyone also did that. Increase the percent on event helpers, added new x3 feature, fix the rank rewards which brought profit for light-cashers, LB2 event daemons need ITEMS ( quite big ). The items need to go rank increase faster than the 50 jewels were given every week =)). So keep hoarding until this received few more updates and you realized your team ain't strong enough to even finish it? For CQ, I will wait for next event to answer you.

- Breaking time is needed and I'm not even complain about it. Again, the amazing loop event - 2 weeks break - event is what I was talking about. This thing proved the greedy of Mitama ( maybe this happened to other games then where is the FRIENDLY?, lel ).

- The gap between F2P and P2W on this game is very big. Bond/Reserve proved it. So what is the FRIENDLY for this FEATURE? I'm waiting for PvP when cashiers nuke you in one hit with their crit stacking teams, ba dum tss. So if Mitama keep do things like put powerful abilites on high LB and doesn't do something to fix it then sure the chance to stand on the equal round is crashed.

- Aren't those things you said didn't happen on other games??? What I want from a game? Just look how Summoner Wars worked. The balance between monsters are the most important thing, with that I beated out of crap many p2w players, cleared lot of hard dungeons, with strats thou I don't have any NAT5 ( 5 stars ) monsters from summon. Com2us did many things to keep the balance, improved the gameplay while they still gaining money from players with it and yet I didn't see it from Mitama.

@SolarMist. 

Then what happen with those stuffs you wrote below it? What is the thing you want to prove?

ok lets keep this short and simple:

1) funny how you waited for more intel to write this, considering the current event is easier then thanksgiving event was

2) dont know if anybody else feels like this but bonds is something good for f2p players aswell since a bond doesnt care if the bonded card is mlb or anything and the difference between 5 and 4 star is just 1% (and we had discussions about if a 5% overall increase between lb3 and mlb is even worth it)

3) if you feel like they dont give you enough freebies or that your luck is not enough (or are to impatient to get stronger step by step or whatever) then dont play... go back to summoner wars or whatever game you prefer and keep the complaining to actual things that can be bad

p.s 4) 75% helper bonus against the 50% before ..... lets be real you cant compete against the guys that throw enough money at their screen to mlb that in ranking anyway so~

I guess we're still doing this? Okay...

First of all, I would like to clarify that I have only truly played and hardcored in 5 mobile games - AGG, PAD, VC, and the current two, Love Live! and Otogi, so I don't know how other "balanced games" like Summoner Wars you mentioned turned out. I've come to acknowledge the fact that, in my time of playing AGG, PAD, and VC, the gap between P2W and F2P is huge and we F2P players can barely cover half the distance those who pays in terms of levels, items, and cards. In these games (apart of PAD which doesn't have any working guild system and rankings), in order to get good cards, I've sent countless invitations to various guilds and many top 100 players when I have barely started the game and can barely get a four star, to actually get them. I guess I was fortunate enough to enter a newbie-friendly guild from the get-go in AGG, VC and Otogi who have helped me tremendously in terms of advice, team building, and of course, getting a good card. Some of the whales have, thankfully, accepted my friend request and have helped me while I play the game (however I do remember a few who ranked in events have unfortunately dropped out of playing the game shortly after).

- It's funny that you mentioned "MLB daemons" in your first two statements in an attempt to refute mine. Back when I started AGG and VC (and even still in Otogi), MLB daemons are literally the last thing I've thought of. Heck, my fully five star deck is weak but bearable because I have mostly LB0 daemon. However, I still managed to finished Chapter 5/Level 80 of most events to get that LB0. At least it's something, eh? Then again, back in AGG, there was no MLB system and when one actually get a 5*, it was all good times, even though they were inferior compared to the top daemons of the event(s), and I suppose I still appreciate the fact of getting a 5* from there. I managed to crawl through those days by sheer hardcoring and hoarding like crazy until I'm confident enough, through the help and advice from my guildmates to secure enough good cards, to actually rank for events.

- When you say that it is purely "false hope" for lunch summon, I'd like to say that you're not wrong, but you're not completely right either. I believe everything can be seen in more than one way, so my statement of it being "free mochi and chance of getting something good other than mochi" still stands, and it's always better to have one mochi than no mochi (strictly my opinion). Honestly, looking at the rates, I don't have much hope of getting a 5*, so getting one is actually a surprise to me. I guess I didn't have much hope for it at the end, haha. Speaking about mochis, I don't know about you, but I have NEVER missed any dailies due to events, even if it meant for me to waste an item or two to achieve my final goal. My mochi count has never failed to increase by a minimum of 2 every day.

- Of course, cashiers get bored easily of events because they get to their goal way too fast. I do know that as the game progresses, events get harder, as seen in Thanksgiving, but they did lower it down for Christmas. Again, as mentioned before, I've sent countless friend requests to many whales and little replied, but there are some kind-hearted ones that do. If you're looking for people with good leader cards, it would be better for you to refresh your helper list to get a secondary substitute if you find them whales are rejecting you. For the guild part, I just scan through the guilds in this wiki, and found a newbie-friendly one to join. Doesn't take too much time to wait.

- So far, in this event, I am still in the ranks. Not too high though, so I can't get any MLB daemons. My items are dying away, though. The rates are there to make people cash, so I'm actually not surprised that the ranking this time is harder. Of course, tower events make players use more items than conquest events to get specific stats, so if you would like to think that tower is P2W, I wouldn't blame you, because it does somewhat appear to be so. It is not impossible for a P2W player to rank, though.

- I would like to think of it as Mitama having problems of thinking more events in such a short time that they have long breaks, since they are still new. If you're hoping for new events to come by every week, it could be nice but also very hectic, especially if you want to level up cards since our magatama-levelling system is pretty harsh. If you're hoping for one every fortnight, you can write an email to them. Not much to comment about this one, because any more would need you to contact Mitama themselves about why they are being such.

- I agree that Bond/Reserve proved the gap of F2P and P2W players. However, not all cards have a passive at high LB. I've been seeing lowering in levels of unlocking passives (around LB2) since Perry's event. If I happen to find a whale to crush me in PvP, I would consider myself lucky to find such an opponent, since there's only around 50 whales in the game right now. There are more dolphins (semi-cashers) than whales, and if they happen to be in my level group too to crush me, if Mitama decides to head that way.

I understand that you worry Otogi will progress way too fast before you can build a proper team to pass the events, but I can assure you that no game would be so dumb to the point to hike up a difficulty so quickly before the whales can even overcome it without too much effort in their part. Those who join in late will still be able to catch up, albeit slowly, to a level where they can progress events smoothly. So far, it has been going rather alright.

I see that we have a clash of view between the term "F2P friendly" since we have different experiences in games that we play. However, in my view, Otogi is far more F2P friendly than "parent" AGG that has no free daily jewel summons and no free mochis lying around in dungeons; PAD that doesn't have free daily jewel summons, rankings, exchange and guilds, which forces you to pull summons from jewels you save up for a good card; VC that also doesn't have free daily jewel summons and exchanges and good cards can only be obtained solely from events or you waste your jewels on summons that may not even give you one. If you want it to be more balanced, you can consider sending them a piece of your mind to Mitama for them to consider it. Cheers.

@AyuAyu0.

1, Easier, hmm. I agree that they reduced the number of stages, changed the last stage to Phantasma and Divina leaders of us have better chance to finish it. But the difficulty is the same. And I need to wait to collect more stuffs, to see what Mitama will do. Then have you read my words about the friendly of event which Mitama brought onto this event? Again, what I was talking about is FRIENDLY.

2, I have a feeling that you are not understanding what I said about bond and friendly. How many bond slots a F2P can have compare to whale? I think you can do a simple math to calculate the gap of those % between whale and f2p players. From that, I'm quite sure this FEATURE is not FRIENDLY for F2P player. <---- This is what I said before.

3,  Oh, you haven't read my words, right? Someone said its FRIENDLY for f2p and I pointed out many things that ain't FRIENDLY for F2P and proved it with evidences. If I want to complain I rather go to CS and write something. However, don't get me wrong. I used a quite FRIENDLY game as an example to say this game is not really FRIENDLY for f2p as ppl said. With " From the last update " + This event + The New Year stuffs ( lol, I have to waited this thing for wrote these words ) just showed more things about the LESS FRIENDLY. Last thing, Why I need to do it? Heh, Did I mention anything like those stuffs above PREVENT me to keep playing this game or MAKE me want to quit it? Things I was said have nothing concern about my intention to continue or not. Your words didn't make any sense.

4, What is this again? Have I write this before? This one is one part of the current event which brings less FRIENDLY for F2P. And I don't understand what you mean here.

@Ickimori.

Sorry If I haven't read some parts of your comment. 

- hmm what you are talking about? MLB with mochi, right? You said its the last thing, then it is same to me. We all need to save mochi for this because this is the safest way to having an MLB for the long run. And what Mitama has done? 300->625 ( both cost and time to save increase a lot, especially the time goes over 2 months when exchange card lasted 2 months ). They placed the powerful abilities deep on high LB as TE and Gabriel. The fact that Mitama KILLED the FRIENDLY of this feature is UNDENIABLE. You will realized one thing, the higher LBs you had, the more helpful they will give u in the future.

- Seems like you are talking wrong, I don't talk about MOCHI, right? I called it FALSE HOPE because even you want a 5 stars or not, the result always depend on your team. Haven't I said to you before? 5 stars Jewel daemons are helpful. Should I need to tell you what profits they brought? Hoping for a 5 stars for improve team from lunchtime and failed. Have to rely on the crap 3-4* ( mostly of those are useless on this game, yea thanks Mitama for NO DAEMONS BALANCE and POOR GAMEPLAY-FEATURE ). Even a LB0 5 stars is not sure to stand this riduculous difficulty, welp high LB need jewels. The last way is EXCHANGE ( 450-625 orz ). So they created it but it pushed you to the dead end so if its not FALSE then can you tell me what it is?

- This lied on the community of the game, but then weak team's place is weak guild, weak user only have same tier friends, that's the truth and it happened on many other games. So the friendly is unrealiable. 

- So I ask you, where is the FRIENDLY on the TOWER events? One more time, you are talking wrong, the possible for F2P go rank on TOWER is not the MAIN point I want to say. I said about the FRIENDLY, F2P need many items which they have to save many months but the RANKING is HARDER ss you said, they make this TOWER easier than the last +  the LB2 stuffs means the number of ITEMS they need will increase. Just IF a F2P want to MLB event/ranking daemons but the items needed increase FASTER than the 50 JEWELS they got everyweeks ( not to mention the cost of MLB is ridiculous expensive ) and meanwhile you hoarding items ( time to hoard for rank is very long at least 2 months and more) , Mitama brought a lot of updates, increase the difficult which your team can't keep up. Then where is the FRIENDLY?

- What I was saying here is the GREEDY of Mitama by created the 2 weeks LOOP. And why you give me a solution is telling them to change or smt like that? The fact that they are trying to sucking money from players are the truth. And I want to say this is NOT FRIENDLY for F2P to improve my words. Sooner or later Mitama needs to change this.

- Things about bond/reserve I think won't say again. But LB2 on TOWER needed ITEMS, and CQ... wew Orochi needs LB2 to unlock his ability, Susanoo's 2nd needs LB3, sad fact is that event was very hard, Mitama cut off the EVENT POINTS SUMMON which means again they killed the FRIENDLY. 

- Wew, this belong to future, time will answer it. But, Have you said this before? "Of course, cashiers get bored easily of events because they get to their goal way too fast." If cashiers feel bored and quit then who will help the game continuing when this game is not popular?. From the last 2 tower events, no way Mitama will keep this long, they have to raise the difficulty or brings something to keep cashiers -> It will decrease the FRIENDLY for F2P -> F2P players quit slowly. Not to mention the way cashiers are playing and F2P players are majority. Imagine this, some cashiers played it for fun, admirations, self-satisfaction, or to show people their achievements, thanks for less friendly-> f2p players are leaving, slowly become P2W game, then they will keep playing for what when there is no one around them anymore, nobody see the achievements they gained. 

- Its just like you always praise the Lunchtime summon. The combo Limit Break + High LB ability ( lmao just 2nd copy ) were born to counter this. I just copy the ideas from Reddit for your AAG, U don't need 4 copies to unlock important abilities, daemons also don't have the crazy abilities on it, only in the end AAG brought the Limit Break, an AAG F2P veteran player could collect enough daemons to form a team that could defeat P2W. The obviously example is TE LB3-LB0. And F2P surely will lost a lot of good daemons that become more and more important ( OP indeed ), Why deamons need another copies for unlock abilities when it should be increase the effect with higher LB with all abilities unlocked? The only answer is it made for money. I'm sure the way Otogi is doing right now is not FRIENDLY for F2P. This game need balance but they need money to do it first hence they must to push away the FRIENDLY for F2P away slowly =))

• have very strong feelings and opinions against Otakool's statements*

• doesn't want to fan the flames*

• grabs popcorn instead*

Request to lock thread. Reason:

a) Thread has gone off-topic.

b) Others may cause the thread to continue, thus puzzling newer wiki members.

Thanks.

^I think that would be a good choice at this point. I've been reading this conversation since the beginning and it's been a little too...passionate...for a long time. And, honestly, the "off-topic" topic doesn't look like it's gonna find a peaceful agreement, or even disagreement, any time soon.

Also, I believe:

c) Original poster has achieved his/her goal.